tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post4661358232236745746..comments2023-08-06T08:38:02.323-05:00Comments on Communion: College President insults homeless people, artists, ministers, NYU students, companies with a casual dress code, and equates power execs with GodJeff Kursonishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00686792279384350024noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-92203689594538842672007-04-24T16:30:00.000-05:002007-04-24T16:30:00.000-05:00Friends,I merely offer a brief addendum to Brendan...Friends,<BR/><BR/>I merely offer a brief addendum to Brendan’s post for the purpose of clarification. As a leader in the Origins community, I would point out that we do not identify ourselves as belonging to what Brendan has called the “emergent church movement.” In fact, my experience (though limited) with Emergent has revealed that it is more of a conversation than a “movement.” As a learnerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-20564785045998471262007-04-24T14:18:00.000-05:002007-04-24T14:18:00.000-05:00First, to Jeff--I did not intend to commandeer you...First, to Jeff--I did not intend to commandeer your blog space for personal conversations with other King's students, but that seems to be the order of the day, so...<BR/><BR/>Thanks to everyone who responded to me directly--I read each of your comments, and weighed them accordingly. <BR/>Perhaps I wrote too strongly in my first comment--I seem to have mislead some of you regarding my beliefs, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-55986820338985399572007-04-24T10:47:00.000-05:002007-04-24T10:47:00.000-05:00Brendan-You're so committed to the pluralism and t...Brendan-<BR/><BR/>You're so committed to the pluralism and tolerance of the emergent church, that you refuse to take a stand. You can't please everyone. You want to put away everything traditional and you refuse to accept that ways of the past are still effective in their relevant settings. You take contextualization to the point of conformity. Be careful. I say this with love. Progressivism and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-17690529937500385402007-04-24T01:00:00.000-05:002007-04-24T01:00:00.000-05:00Brendan, Thank you for your words. My respect for ...Brendan, <BR/><BR/>Thank you for your words. My respect for you is deep and I am lucky to call you a friend.<BR/>However, Brendan, there are some issues which you raised that do not sit right with me. <BR/> <BR/>These questions that you ask are coming as a result of how King's students and their President have chosen to engage the world. While there is always room to question how one engages the Seidshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17844985835271961153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-36258356254104953502007-04-24T00:15:00.000-05:002007-04-24T00:15:00.000-05:00Brendan-You said "King's students--please weigh Je...Brendan-<BR/><BR/>You said "King's students--please weigh Jeff's words, and consider your own heart. Who cares whetheryou are cool or uncool--is your dress an attempt to build your own image, or to conform your life to the image of Christ?"<BR/><BR/>JEFF CARES!!!<BR/><BR/>Jeff's words have been considered. <BR/><BR/>"Meanwhile they have to walk around like Mormon missionaries in front of all the Richiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07016642707319718876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-69972610614496825962007-04-23T22:33:00.000-05:002007-04-23T22:33:00.000-05:00Pastor Jeff,I read that you are highly offended th...Pastor Jeff,<BR/>I read that you are highly offended that a school that meets in the Empire State Building has a dress code. I find this issue somewhat amusing. I attended private Christian school my whole life and was expected to abide by a dress code varying from wearing a dress everyday to a more relaxed take on business casual. I had no problem with "dressing up" for school. As a matter of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-17819582008865295882007-04-23T21:58:00.000-05:002007-04-23T21:58:00.000-05:00Pastor Jeff,After reading the responses of my frie...Pastor Jeff,<BR/>After reading the responses of my friends and peers of The King’s College, do you now think that we are ready to “end poverty, abolish the modern slave trade and repair the broken ethics of our corporate culture?” I believe the eloquent responses of The King’s College students (especially first year students) shows our support for the policies and our President. Furthermore, the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-32307119152552744572007-04-23T21:49:00.000-05:002007-04-23T21:49:00.000-05:00Jeff--I value you your friendship, and I always en...Jeff--<BR/><BR/>I value you your friendship, and I always enjoy our conversations. I also have a deep respect for President Oakes' passion for the Kingdom (I don't know him well, but have always sensed that his faith runs much deeper than his corporate varnish). <BR/>My friend, I fear that you reacted rashly to President Oakes, and that your rashness carried over into your blog. <BR/>However, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-49651766373364095482007-04-23T21:16:00.000-05:002007-04-23T21:16:00.000-05:00Jeff,You said, "[T]his new world...is in such a st...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>You said, "[T]his new world...is in such a state of epochal transition that no one even understands it yet." I object to this. The Old Testament talks about "the sons of Issachar, who had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do" (1 Chr. 12:32). They too were in a "state of epochal transition"--living on the brink of God's fulfillment of His promise to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-8113485564783332962007-04-23T20:06:00.000-05:002007-04-23T20:06:00.000-05:00J brought up a very good point...sense when are bu...J brought up a very good point...sense when are business people not people...they may be easy to hate and ridicule because of their apparent wealth and greed but we are still to reach out to and witness to them...after all Jesus witnessed to the tax collectors too...who were rich people largely hated by the common man...but we are still to love these people and witness to them and what better wayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-65667817417775567452007-04-23T17:31:00.000-05:002007-04-23T17:31:00.000-05:00Mr. Kursonis, I'm trying to look deeper here. Mo...Mr. Kursonis,<BR/> I'm trying to look deeper here. Most people who have commented note that the dress code is only 9-5, or that it isn't as strict as you make it out to be. But I think your argument is deeper than the dress code, or at least I hope it is. <BR/><BR/>What I see in your post is not necessarily a spirit of conformity (I'm sure you wouldn't make the case that Christians need to D.Podhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03674278802125266585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-85234678887795145372007-04-23T16:26:00.000-05:002007-04-23T16:26:00.000-05:00Pastor Kursonis,Referring to Dr. Stanley Oakes, yo...Pastor Kursonis,<BR/><BR/>Referring to Dr. Stanley Oakes, you stated, "This is a man deeply out of touch with the reality of the world around him, and forcing an entire student body to live in his private version of unreality - which causes them to be ill equipped and unprepared to reach their peers all around them with the gospel of peace because they look like some kind of weird religious typesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-18694089747399882152007-04-23T14:47:00.000-05:002007-04-23T14:47:00.000-05:00Keep your opinion to yourself. If king's students...Keep your opinion to yourself. If king's students have a problem with the required professional, real world business dress, they'd send their tuition elsewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-12677838233374193262007-04-23T14:30:00.000-05:002007-04-23T14:30:00.000-05:00Mr. Kursonis:As a Christian and a student of The K...Mr. Kursonis:<BR/><BR/>As a Christian and a student of The King's College who has only too recently freed himself from the bondage of "culturally relevant thinking," I am pleased to see this dialogue taking place. I would wager that Stan Oakes, rather than biting his nails and fretting over offending your fragile "emergent" sensibilities, is pleased as well.<BR/><BR/>If you wish to attack The Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-91139206348589482722007-04-23T14:26:00.000-05:002007-04-23T14:26:00.000-05:00Dear Pastor Jeff,I would like thank you for your c...Dear Pastor Jeff,<BR/><BR/>I would like thank you for your concern for the students of The King's College. It is evident from your post that you have a concern for our well being and success. I appreciate that you would like us to be culturally relevant and not victims of poor policy.<BR/><BR/>But it seems to me, you do not know TKC students as well as you originally thought. Judging from the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-15732087834823267372007-04-23T13:27:00.000-05:002007-04-23T13:27:00.000-05:00The dress code at King's, hmmm...Katelyn, I'm goin...The dress code at King's, hmmm...<BR/><BR/>Katelyn, I'm going to follow after you and take the "girl perspective" on King's Dress Code.<BR/><BR/>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't college a place to be intellectually stimulated? Second question, has one reached their full capacity to learn by rolling out of bed 5 minutes before class, rubbing the sleep out of their eyes, and wearing sweat pants Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-25203368361280638282007-04-23T13:08:00.000-05:002007-04-23T13:08:00.000-05:00I am a student at The King’s College and fellow Ch...I am a student at The King’s College and fellow Christian who currently attends an emerging church in Manhattan. <BR/>Not only are the students at King’s not offended by the dress code, but I seriously doubt you would be offended if I wore a skirt and polo shirt down 34th street. I would also like to make the point that at the emerging church I attend: the pastor wears a sports coat; some of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-62155677048305345162007-04-23T12:26:00.000-05:002007-04-23T12:26:00.000-05:00To be honest, as a student at King's, I don't alwa...To be honest, as a student at King's, I don't always want to abide by the dress code. Sometimes I just want to throw on a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. Lucky for me the dress code is lifted on Fridays. And I am not required to be on campus outside of class time. While I don't always want to follow the dress code, I understand the reasons and merits for it. We go to a school that is preparing us Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-89087387166826610442007-04-23T11:00:00.000-05:002007-04-23T11:00:00.000-05:00First off I am a King's student and this post smac...First off I am a King's student and this post smacks of pure ignorance. Have you ever even attended a day at The King's College during classes? Because if you have you'd see that only about 10-15 students if that wear suits on a daily basis...the rest of us wear basically whatever we like. The dress code at our school is very lax...the only restrictions are no jeans or cargo khakis and no Ts Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-46103072969346109082007-04-23T10:51:00.000-05:002007-04-23T10:51:00.000-05:00Let everyone be quick to listen, slow to speak and...Let everyone be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry. For man's anger does not bring forth the righteous life which God desires.<BR/><BR/>Being angered by your conversation you take to the internet to broadcast your feelings. Scripturally unsound...<BR/><BR/>You quickly provided a history lesson on the church and the post-modern world. Allow me to likewise educate. Condorcet isAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-76393707326490740312007-04-23T10:27:00.000-05:002007-04-23T10:27:00.000-05:00As a student of King's for four years, I must say ...As a student of King's for four years, I must say that I love the dress code. Jeff, it seems that there is not a single student here at King's who would actually agree with your argument. Therefore, if anyone is forcing an ideology of the students here, that person would be you. <BR/><BR/>Stan, I hope you read this; students here are supportive of what you have accomplished for this school. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-77415097344096038422007-04-23T09:56:00.000-05:002007-04-23T09:56:00.000-05:00Thank you Jeff KursonisFor finding life by tearing...Thank you Jeff Kursonis<BR/><BR/>For finding life by tearing down your brother in Christ publicly , showing how smart and how spiritual you are. I wish you would protect Oakes but you show how little you are.<BR/><BR/>Don't you have the gut to visit Oakes and settle your differences? <BR/><BR/>I am a first year student from the Kingdom of Tonga. What is cool in Tonga is different from what is Seni Penitanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572321847660035378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-51134610892693374762007-04-23T08:55:00.000-05:002007-04-23T08:55:00.000-05:00"College President insults homeless people, artist..."College President insults homeless people, artists, ministers, NYU students, companies with a casual dress code, and equates power execs with God"<BR/><BR/>I don't need to read further. This title is simply ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-36987669080553950832007-04-23T01:43:00.000-05:002007-04-23T01:43:00.000-05:00It looks like it's a girl's turn to comment about ...It looks like it's a girl's turn to comment about the fashion at King's. Here are some of my thoughts:<BR/><BR/>First, I think religious jokes are more offensive than business attire.<BR/><BR/>Second, everything I wear at school I buy in the stores in NYC. (Talk to the stores if you don't think they are "cool".) To me they are fun colors, and I have a lot of variety with making outfits. Hmm...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11193658.post-50902138620457982472007-04-23T00:49:00.000-05:002007-04-23T00:49:00.000-05:00Mr. Kursonis,I have to admit, i don't think i unde...Mr. Kursonis,<BR/><BR/>I have to admit, i don't think i understand where you get off making an "innocent but earnest plea" to our president to change probably THE most trivial thing in our school such as the dress code. Out of all the things that really matter when it comes to reaching non-believers, such as oh-you-know character and a strong relationship with Christ, we are arguing over a dressAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com